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Branch sale prompts arena name speculation

HSBC shows no signs of giving up rights

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Published:August 3, 2011, 12:00 AM

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Updated: August 3, 2011, 3:18 PM

HSBC Bank USA’s ties to the Buffalo Sabres date back more than 15 years, all the way back to the days when the team’s home was known as Marine Midland Arena.

Will that be changing now that HSBC is reducing its local presence?

Sports marketing experts say that the change in HSBC’s operations doesn’t necessarily mean the bank wants out of its naming rights deal at HSBC Arena and that a more likely scenario would be the addition of new corporate sponsors for the arena.

“There’s now room for more partners,” said E. J. Narcise, a principal in Team Services, the Maryland company that secured M&T Bank’s naming rights with the Baltimore Ravens. “And those conversations could be taking place right now.”

Others suggest that the benefits HSBC enjoys, most notably national media attention, continue regardless of the bank’s presence here. The bank’s naming rights contract runs through 2027.

“They’re still getting all the exposure they got last year,” said Eric Smallwood, senior vice president of Front Row Marketing Services in Philadelphia. “They’re still getting the branding they got from NBC, ESPN and newspapers across the country.”

Narcise thinks HSBC and the Sabres may look at this as an opportunity to share the naming rights’ benefits— which can extend beyond the name of the arena to advertising inside the building and commercial time on broadcasts — to other local companies.

He mentioned First Niagara, which is buying 195 HSBC branches, as one possible new partner.

Without mentioning the likelihood of a partnership with HSBC, First Niagara CEO John R. Koelmel made it clear this week the bank is interested in establishing a relationship with the Sabres.

“To the extent that type of opportunity became available or we have the opportunity to further establish a relationship with the Sabres, we’d certainly be happy and willing to have that discussion,” Koelmel said Monday.

HSBC is showing no signs of wanting to give up its naming rights at the downtown arena and went out of its way to suggest otherwise.

“These things always have value,” bank spokesman Neil Brazil said Tuesday, “and we do have a good relationship with the Sabres.”

When asked if the bank might seek changes in its deal with the team, Brazil declined to comment, except to suggest that the two sides talk often about their relationship. “We have a regular dialogue with the Sabres,” Brazil said, “but the nature of those conversations is proprietary.”

Sabres officials could not be reached to comment.

In terms of dollars and cents, HSBC’s contract with the Sabres would seem to make less economic sense now than it did before the bank sold its retail branches in upstate New York.

Experts say the primary benefit behind most naming rights agreements is the high-profile image it provides the company among local sports fans, many of them current or future customers.

“If they’re leaving the retail market, the exposure they get from naming rights is clearly diminished,” said Andrew Zimbalist, an economics professor at Smith College and an expert on sports finances. “It’s going to reduce the value, no question about it.”

Zimbalist said it’s possible HSBC, given its continued corporate and commercial presence here, might consider the naming rights valuable enough to retain, especially if the price is right.

He also thinks it’s possible the bank might use this opportunity to renegotiate its contract with the Sabres.

Michael Hurley, a sports marketing consultant and former head of broadcasting and corporate sales for the NHL’s Carolina Hurricanes, thinks it’s likely HSBC will continue its relationship with the Sabres.

“I think there’s still considerable value because of the interest in the team and connection to the community,” said Hurley, president of Intangibles, a North Carolina-based marketing firm.

Like Narcise, Hurley thinks a more likely scenario is HSBC and the Sabres seeking new partners as part of its naming rights agreement. He said one possibility is new sponsors securing naming rights to specific sections of the arena’s interior.

“That is something,” he said, “that is becoming more and more prevalent.”

Narcise, who has negotiated several naming rights deals, said he’s familiar with HSBC’s agreement in Buffalo and doesn’t expect the bank to pull the plug.

He said that most naming rights deals have an “out” clause but that HSBC’s commitment to the Sabres is about more than the bottom line.

“I think there’s more of a civic question here,” he said, referring to the bank’s role, along with other companies, in keeping the team afloat when times were tough.

Of course, that wasn’t always the case, and HSBC’s naming rights became the root cause of a significant dispute.

In 1999, HSBC filed a breach-of-contract lawsuit against the Sabres, claiming the team refused to change the name of Marine Midland Arena to HSBC Arena. The Sabres countered by claiming its contract with the bank did not include the right to change the name.

The dispute arose as HSBC was changing the name of Marine Midland and its other groups and trying to increase its U. S. presence.

HSBC bought the naming rights to the arena for $15 million as part of a 20- year deal in 1995 and reportedly paid another $9 million five years later to settle the lawsuit and put its new name on the arena.

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Should be called the First Niagara Arena so that everyone would just nickname it "The F*N Arena"

KEITH WOZNIAK, ROCHESTER, NY on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 07:05 PM

Sorry Tom, I don't think "Erie Auditorium Canalside" really rolls off the tongue too well, but Erie Auditorium, or Erie Arena wouldn't be too bad. Or maybe we should just go for the bad pun and call it the Erie Basin Arena.

And the "Whatever Bank Currently Holds The Mortgage Arena" comment, which i'm assuming is referring to changing it to First Niagara, is kind of off base, considering that First Niagara is definitely a company that has roots in the community. I think First Niagara Arena would sound pretty good and would probably be one of the most "local" sounding corporate names that would be a possibility.

All that being said, corporate naming rights aren't always that bad. Sure, we've had some stinkers, like NorthAmericare Park, but it brings money into the team, and regardless of how rich the owner is, the kind of money that is paid for these things isn't insignificant. With Rich Stadium and Pilot Field, I never thought of the company names first when I thought about those sports venues, to me they were just the names of the places where the Bills and Bisons played, so depending on who buys the rights, it can be just fine.

It's funny that so many people criticize Ralph for naming the Bills stadium after himself instead of selling naming rights to bring in additional money to improve the team, but when it comes to this scenario, people are trying to go the other way.

Whatever they decide to do, i don't think it's that big of a deal.

JAMES SKELTON, BUFFALO, NY on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 02:46 PM

Why would they change it if HSBC's operations are still going to be down the road at the tower that also bears their name? In fact, now having naming rights on the stadium actually makes sense for HSBC. Sports these days are all about expanding your corporate customer anyway. You really think they get enough new deposits and personal loan business to cover the naming right investment? HSBC wants to specialize in the ocmmercial banking business; well advertising is just a cost of doing business.

It probably won't be renewing the deal, but staying the course of the last 15 years of the contract makes sense for them. Besides, as a sports fan, i actually prefer a corporate sponsor, especially for a product that i actually use. In the case of the sabres, i've been an HSBC customer since i was old enough to have a bank account and i was proud my favorite hockey team's arena was named after my bank. What i don't like is arena's and stadiums that constantly change names. That is why i hope it stays as HSBC arena.

JOE NOTARO, ROCHESTER, NY on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 02:39 PM

It's not like Mr. Pegula wouldn't appreciate the money that comes with the naming rrights, but, he probably doesn't need it either. Do the right thing, and name the arena after the Knox brothers/family...they brought the NHL to Buffalo, and it would be a nice gesture to recognize them by naming the arena after them.

TOM HULL, ALMOND, NY on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 01:10 PM

Lukas, don't forget about North Americare Park!
But in all seriousness, I agree that anything locally related should weigh heavily in the naming rights

MIKE TROMETER, TOWN OF TONAWANDA, NY on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Naming rights of "Whatever Bank Currently Holds The Mortgage Arena" have no roots in the community and are meaningless. I like Lukas's suggestion: Erie (because of the County and Lake) but add Auditorium (brings us back to our hockey heritage.) And as with other stadiums, i.e. "Oriole Park at Camden Yards" (the official name) we could come up with something like "Erie Auditorium Canalside".

TOM WHITE, LONDON, ENGLAND on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 11:24 AM

I personally would like to see labatt's take over for the naming of the arena. After moving their north american head office to buffalo this would be perfect. If ralph wilson would sell the naming rights to the stadium that could bring millions to the bills organization.

ADAM THOMAS , AKRON , NY on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM

For heaven's sake honor the contract til 2027. Let's not waste the courts time on a sign that was a novel idea to increase revenue and it worked.

PHILIP JAMES JAROSZ, BUFFALO, NY on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Given that HSBC is abandoning Buffalo and their stake here, I don't think their name belongs on our arena any longer. I, too, believe a change to a "less corporate" name is called for.

ELISABETH BRAUZA, CHEEKTOWAGA, NY on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 10:28 AM

I like the sound of Erie Arena or Lake Erie Arena...I am not a fan of corprate names on stadiums, etc. mostly because they dont really flow well when you say them. Also because business names change sponsorships change and the arenas/stadiums end up with 2-3 different names over the life span.... I remember Pilot Field, then Dunn Tire Park, Then Coke Field....enough already

LUKAS D MONTANINO, LANCASTER, NY on Wed Aug 3, 2011 at 09:29 AM

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