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Region seen benefiting on ‘fracking’ outside state

Amherst energy firm cites lower gas prices

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Published:November 30, 2011, 12:00 AM

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Updated: November 30, 2011, 6:48 AM

Whether they realize it or not, consumers in the Buffalo Niagara region are benefiting from natural gas drilling in the Marcellus Shale every time their furnace kicks on, a local energy provider said Tuesday.

Gary Marchiori, president of Energy Mark, an Amherst energy services firm, said the increased natural gas production from the Marcellus Shale and other shale formations across the country has been driving down natural gas prices.

National Fuel Gas Co. estimates that heating costs for the typical household in Western New York this winter will run about $719 from November to March — $351 less than the $1,070 the average household paid during the winter of 2008-09.

“The direct benefit to consumers is the lower price of regional and local natural gas,” Marchiori said during a forum on the state’s proposed rules for gas drilling sponsored by the World Trade Center Buffalo Niagara.

Drilling in the Marcellus and other shale formations is on hold in New York while the state Department of Environmental Conservation develops new rules for the horizontal wells that are used to extract the shale gas, through a controversial technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking.”

That process uses millions of gallons of water, mixed with sand and sometimes toxic chemicals, to blast open pores in the rock to free the vast amounts of gas trapped there. Opponents believe the process endangers water supplies and could cause severe environmental damage.

“There remain far too many unanswered questions and inadequately protective proposed measures to assure that new fracking can be safely done in New York,” said Kate Sinding of the Natural Resources Defense Fund in New York City, the site of the DEC’s final public hearing today on its proposed drilling rules.

Sinding, in a blog post, said the proposed rules do not include adequate setbacks from wells, homes and aquifers, and would not treat potentially toxic drilling waste as a hazardous substance.

Brad Gill, executive director of the Independent Oil and Gas Association of New York, countered that some studies have estimated that as much as 40 percent to 60 percent of the drillable acreage in the state could be off-limits under the DEC proposal. The DEC puts the figure at around 20 percent.

Gill said the added regulations and restrictions that New York is considering could add $200,000 to $1 million to the cost of drilling a horizontal well. “We have a concern over New York being placed at a competitive disadvantage over some of our neighboring states,” such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, where drilling is under way.

S. Dennis Holbrook, the chief legal officer at Norse Energy, said the 3z-year moratorium on drilling in New York has been costly, not only to landowners who have been denied potentially lucrative royalty payments from gas extracted from their property, but also to drillers who have had to wait to access land they control in the state.

For Norse, that delay has jeopardized the Norwegianbased company’s U. S. operations, which are focused on New York’s Marcellus Shale. The company, which has its U. S. headquarters in Hamburg, has been running out of money, forcing it to slash in half its work force, which once numbered around 70. Its Hamburg staff, which once totaled around 40, has dwindled to about a dozen.

The company also has put the 130,000 acres it controls in New York up for sale in a bid to raise the cash it needs to stay afloat. But today’s low natural gas prices — gas futures closed at $3.63 per 1,000 cubic feet on Tuesday — are depressing the value of those land rights while it remains uncertain if New York will allow drilling to go forward, Holbrook said.

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Mr. Gough, obviously you have made up your mind. You only iterate what you've heard from the industry and industry 'funded' studies. Just follow the money. Can you believe anything coming out of Penn State these days? Especially, when they are funded by none other than Terry Pagula (fracker who employed all of 400 people, whoopee) I'm sure the recent EPA study on Wyoming means nothing to you especially since Senator Inhofe has stated so (and he has received 1.3 million in campaign funding from the industry also). The 'supposed' frack fluid that the Haliburton Associate (as the CEO wouldn't drink it) drank, who knows what was in that glass or where the guy is now. Being that Haliburton has admittedly used diesel fuel in fracking, it would be wonderful if they decided to use something less toxic now. Somehow, don't see that happening. I see your psy-ops training went well. This is the second time you've used the words 'speculation', 'bias', 'conspiracy,' and 'emotion'. Funny, but isn't that what the industry is doing? Volume and jobs are speculate, all studies are bias, and their blogging all over the internet because they are emotional because they'll loose millions if they don't start shipping this overseas and driving the price and demand up? What money in PA? Corbett and Norquist just parted ways because they are so broke, they need to charge the drillers an Impact Fee. 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it' Upton Sinclair. Data doesn't lie, people do.

SHEILA MILLER, ORCHARD PARK, NY on Mon Dec 19, 2011 at 07:47 PM

Sheila, you have a very good fighting spirit, and I do appreciate your referencing. I am not really a supporter or fighter currently, I dont feel like any of the info being sent around is terribly reliable, but almost every scientific study I read about straight up says that these claims are generally not correct (regarding the environmental impacts).

Regarding the road damage in PA, I wonder how much less tax revenue they would have if there were no wells being drilled. My bet is that political mismanagement of funds (this is nothing new of course) lead to the state leaders spending the money on other things without allocating any to the upkeep needed due to the increased activity on their infrastructure

I do have one to send back to you. Some of the major fracking companies are already utilizing fracking fluids which are totally food based. Recently at multiple presentations, Halliburton management actually drank their fracking fluid, so it is clearly not as hazardous as some may lead you to believe. Also, this buffalo news article published yesterday is very interesting:

http://www.buffalonews.com/wire-feeds/state/article655809.ece

You really should read this article, it can provide more perspective on the lack of vetted information out there. Best I can tell, there is generally nothing more than wild speculation right now, with people making their own attributions based on emotions and bias. I will be interested to see the results of the scientific studies, and I expect several conspiracy theorists lighting up the internet immediately after anything is released that differs from their side of the argument.

GARY GOUGH, KENMORE, NY on Fri Dec 2, 2011 at 05:21 PM

And of course one more on the violations in Pennsylvania in just 2 years (I hear their up to 1600 now).....

http://www.pacwa.org/Violations_Report.pdf

Let me know when you've had enough. I know I have.

SHEILA MILLER, ORCHARD PARK, NY on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 06:10 PM

Oh, this is quite interesting as well. Rochester's Democrat and Chronicle printed the story about earthquakes in New York state on account of injection wells but the Buffalo News does not
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20111116/NEWS01/111160330/Fracking-sparks-earthquake-concerns

Pennsylvania is so broke and desperate for revenue to cover the cost of 'fracked up' roads and infrastructure that Grover Norquist and Governor Tom Corbett parted ways last week when Corbett (campaign funded 1.9 Million by the industry) finally caved in to constituents wanting to impose an impact fee.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2011/11/21/corbett-and-norquist-disagree-on-tax-definition/

And, the Marcellus shale coalition (industry themselves) admitting contamination to Pennsylvania's water supply back in April (ONLY after Carnegie Melon reported the contamination)
http://marcellusdrilling.com/2011/04/pa-dep-marcellus-shale-coalition-admit-drilling-wastewater-likely-contaminating-drinking-water/

Scientific American reported that EPA finds 2-BE and elevated levels of Benzene in Pavillion, Wyomings aquifer - they've been fighting for justice for 10 years
http://www.epa.gov/region8/superfund/wy/pavillion/PavillionWyomingFactSheet.pdf

Currently, there are over 5000 non-disclosure agreements signed by individuals to receive either water or money.

Texas and Oklahoma are having massive droughts possibly unrecoverable. Invasive Breast Cancer rates are at an ultimate high and climbing in Texas.

They want to ship this gas overseas to Asian and European markets which will drive the price up for us here.

We have a glutteny of gas stored right now. No need to be cold this winter.

SHEILA MILLER, ORCHARD PARK, NY on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 05:59 PM

Read the SGEIS to start, her are some other reliable sources.....
Fracking chemicals - they have a proprietary waiver - SGEIS 2011 Pg 5 - 41 clearly states that they are missing information on 68 of the products used and an additional 20 are unidentifiable because they are mixtures. Chapt. 8 states that regulations are that they provide the MSDS and CAS numbers of chemicals used UNLESS the industry considers them proprietary. 322 unique chemicals went in but more than that comes back out. Chromium 6 was not reported to go in, but it was found in the flow back by the DEC

BILLIONS OF GALLONS IN SPILLS - here's a map by state
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/12/eveningnews/main20053283.shtml

Fracaccidents happen all the time - here's the fracaccidents map
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=209825270514233970353.0004899ff5c6ef5ddf104&source=embed&ll=40.663973,-77.805176&spn=5.832868,10.437012&z=6

How about population decline by county, Chautauqua Co. 6000 gas wells later and their population is decreasing at higher percentage rates than counties without drilling (check against Niagara Co. with no drilling)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/census/index?loc=interstitialskip

Jobs check out Colorado, Oklahoma, & Louisiana if Natural Resources & Mining are keeping the economy afloat, why did those occupations increase & then decrease in just 10 years (because it's a boom and bust, that's why)
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/story/Jobs-Forecast-2011/34083932/1

Read the Ecology & Environment report as part of the SGEIS, aprox. page 25 of their report states clearly "transients will do the work for the first 10 years". Then check out Texas on the Jobs map above and you'll see who that is.

SHEILA MILLER, ORCHARD PARK, NY on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 05:43 PM

Those are interesting points Jim, but I dont see any references and frankly it appears as though several are not really facts, based only on the language you use in those cases.

Without references, your posts are going to be view as a lobby for those who stand to benefit from a lack of fracking in NYS , and that is how I see it. Next time pony up some references so that readers dont need to take your word for it. It is very clear that you have dug your heels into the anti fracking side of this discussion, and I would hate to see you passing along somebody else's un-vetted claims.

Specifically the ones that I am the most curious about are below:

These first three are especially bad, because the second two are impossible to know if the first is true. Again, not saying these are not true ( I dont know), but they need more than your word.
-fracking chemicals are secret by law
-fracking inject vast amounts of toxic chemicals into the ground
-fracking trucks carry toxic chemicals


-fracking generates equally vast amounts of toxic waste that cannot be treated effectively
-frackers have a high accidental spill rate
-old wells leak into the ground water - there is no way to plug and old well permanently
-gas may be cheaper but the environmental costs to the taxpayer will be astronomic
-frackers wildly inflate their job creation estimates
-frackers spend vast more money convincing us that fracking is safe than making it safe
-Sabres fans: Terry Pegula is a fracker trying to buy your sympathy for this criminal industry


GARY GOUGH, KENMORE, NY on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 04:58 PM

Exactly James H!.. Gas is a commodity that can be "exported" to the highest bidder. It is a global economy and that means once the infrastructure is in constructed - pipelines, terminals, compressor and liquification plants - the gas becomes much more marketable. As a result, even the low prices will disappear while demand and consumption increase much to the delight of the frackers.

Our water - on the other hand is OUR WATER. It is shared and stewarded by those fortunate enough to live in the watershed and it must be protected in the watershed. Without clean, fresh water, we can kiss everything else goodbye.

With the GREAT LAKES perilously close to death (again), it is sheer lunacy to consider fracking.

Long after the frackers are gone, their toxic legacy will continue to pollute our water.

JIM COFFED, DEPEW, NY on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 03:14 PM

David Robinson's industry-friendly columns in the News are becoming as much a fixture as gas wells may soon be on our landscape. The fact is that the drillers, and the article cites a Norwegian firm with an interest in Marcellus which is a new one on me because most of the firms are based in Texas, Oklahoma or Louisiana, are poised to frack and freeze most of the natural gas and ship it to Europe and China. They'll make billions from our fresh water and shale gas resources over the next couple of decades while destroying our environment. That's how it will play out if Gov. Cuomo's DEC lets it all move forward.

JAMES HUFNAGEL, WILSON, NY on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 02:28 PM

The long term solution is to taper off subsidies to carbon-based energy (includes natural gas) and invest in renewable, clean energy. Fracking the Marcellus (and Utica) only delays the inevitable, worsens climate change while lining the pockets of industry executives and their political allies.

Fracking is a bad deal for 99% of the remaining population. The gas will be gone someday soon after fracking begins but the toxic legacy will haunt us and future generations.

Fracking will create more problems than it "solves".

Keep in mind that the real fracking prize is not the Marcellus but rather the deeper Utica Shale which undelies most of NYS. The Marcellus is a red herring to get the frackers foot inthe door of the entire state - not just the southern tier.

All the water that has ever been or ever will be is on the planet. Only about 1% is available for 7 billion people. We have got to stop using water as our toilet. Fracking is far too dangerous to our fresh water to even be considered.

JIM COFFED, DEPEW, NY on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 01:38 PM

There are characters such as the former VP, who are more than happy to rape and run. However, saner people who are looking at the long term picture are coming to the forefront and will take the measures necessary to ensure the continuing success of their industry. The abundance of gas in the Marcellus Shale is a gift that only fools choose to ignore. Regulation is not a problem, but to ban exploration is to cut off your nose to spite your face. NY is facing massive deficits as far as the eye can see. All reasonable measures that will produce more revenue need to be investigated, or would you prefer more casinos and lotteries?

ED DINSMORE, BUFFALO, NY on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 01:19 PM

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