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ECC growth? No site better than AM&A’s

Published:June 10, 2011, 12:00 AM

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Updated: June 10, 2011, 8:24 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a plan. It was Monday afternoon when Rocco Termini unfolded the drawing on a table in downtown’s Sea Bar. He pointed to the pen-and-ink vision of a rejuvenated AM&A’s building and said, “This is what we should do.”

A lot of people have ideas. Not many have the track record of Termini. The trim, tanned developer who—with his pastel crew-neck sweaters and wire-frame glasses, looks like a well-preserved prep schooler—has done more than anyone to repopulate downtown. From the Ellicott District to the Webb Building to—next up—the Lafayette Hotel, Termini is the king of transforming empty 19th century spaces into upscale apartments. He does not just talk—he does.

It would be nice if most of our public officials—starting with the mayor— were half as creative. Termini’s current brainstorm: Instead of putting Erie Community College’s new science-oriented building on the North Campus in Amherst—an idea that has yet to fly— place it in the vacant AM&A’s, on the shoulder of ECC’s City Campus.

It matters, because the idea is bigger than one building. Putting this downtown instead of in Amherst uses taxpayer dollars to reverse sprawl, instead of feeding it. It connects ECC students to the growing High Street medical corridor. It piggybacks on the Washington Street resuscitation and fuels downtown resettlement. It continues the revival of ECC’s main campus at the county’s geographic center. It ends the buy-in on the bad idea of a tri-campus community college—the only one in the state.

Not bad, for one building. This is no castle in the sand. Termini

says he can get $7.5 million of historical tax credits for the AM&A’s redo, which saves the same amount from ECC’s pockets. Behind him are several state legislators, who two months ago flexed their muscles to hold up $15 million in state money for the project.

“We don’t have veto power,” said Assemblyman Sam Hoyt, who Thursday, with State Sen. Mark Grisanti, sent a letter to ECC President Jack Quinn pushing the downtown option. “But if there is not a comfort level on this with the local delegation, the money will not be included in the [state] budget.”

Termini is not looking to make a killing. He would sell the county the building space at cost. But he knows that ECC expanding in the city would prop up his nearby developments and speed downtown revival. And that helps everybody.

“Do this, with what we already have and what we have coming, and it finishes three complete blocks downtown,” Termini said. “Then you put in small restaurants, then retail.”

This would be city-focused development straight out of the Regionalism 101 textbook. Unfortunately, most local politicians are behind on their reading. The idea also feeds into the pull of downtown for under-25s—as seen by the multitude who live downtown or trek to Chippewa Street from the burbs on weekends.

This is not the way Quinn sees it. He wants to prop up the decaying Amherst campus, in hopes of dissuading Northtowns kids from heading to Niagara County Community College, with the county subsidizing the exodus.

To me, building in Amherst is the easy, tight-focus answer that would cement the balkanization that holds us back. Termini has a plan—and it’s bigger than one building.

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Josh,
I left after college. A quitter of sorts, in your logic. I came back after 15 years. I left after 2. I felt like a champ after I left, in spite of missing family.

What I quit was pretending Buffalo was nearly as good as my acquaintences there led me to believe.

I'll always wan't the place to turn it up, but it's focus is guided into shrinking as a strategy to sustain a small fraction of the populace's way of life. Buffalonians have cognitive dissonance to a level that has just simply become annoying to many that view it from afar.

Respectfully,
Brian Horvath

BRIAN HORVATH, SAN FRANCISCO, CA on Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 02:25 PM

@Mr. Horvath - since smug condescension appears to be your primary motivation, try this: even if you spend the remainder of your life chasing reality, you appear to be in little danger of actually catching it.

STEPHEN KARNATH, BUFFALO, NY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 09:01 AM

Hey Brian

I moved away from Buffalo once. You know what I felt like? A quitter.

I'm glad I moved back here after only leaving for a few months, and I'm glad the opinions of those that are tough enough to actually live here now weigh more on the outcome than yours does.

"Buffalo, for Real?"

Naw.... How about.....Buffalo Tough.

If you like this town enough to be reading the paper all the way from San Fran (I have never read the San Fran pages in my life) then you must care about Buffalo for some reason. Why aren't you here being part of the solution?

Maybe you are a quitter, like I was?

Its ok, it's not too late to realize your mistake.

JOSH KETRY, BUFFALO, NY on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 11:28 PM

Hmmm, ok how about this one, just for you ole Buffalo, ole pal:

Reality - ignore it!

BRIAN HORVATH, SAN FRANCISCO, CA on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 07:39 PM

@Mr. Horvath: AM & A's Warehouse lofts - 48 loft apartments; 15,000 sq. ft. of commercial space. See: http://amaswarehouselofts.com/ These are the buildings fronting on Washington. The flagship store building fronts on Main.

Tax credits of various kinds (housing, energy, historic, etc.) are only useful to taxpayers with significant tax liability that they are seeking to reduce. If they are at AMT (alternative minimum tax), they can't use the credits. Government (IRS, NYS Dept. of Taxation & Finance) adminsters these programs - it doesn't have the ability to take advantage or share in the benefits of them, other to use them wisely to get maximum public benefit for every dollar of credit allocated.

Challenging Rocco by asking tough questions is appropriate. If he doesn't have a detailed answer he will get it. Sometimes his ideas don't stand up to scrutiny, but lots of times they do. He enjoys finding solutions to difficult properties, so I'm always interested in what he's thinking.

Please stop with the "reality - catch it" phrase. It's uninformed & annoying.

STEPHEN KARNATH, BUFFALO, NY on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 06:47 PM

You guys do realize that certain colleges specialize in specific areas of the medical educational fields, right?

The are techs, nurses, doctors... There is plenty of room for all here.

Also, many people can graduate from ECC and transfer in to advanced programs at the other schools. I followed a similar transfering study for my business degrees.

Having the schools in close proximity can only help each other and downtown.


JOSH KETRY, BUFFALO, NY on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 06:09 PM

And have no quagmire: the logic is straightforward: brighter and more talented students choose not to go to ECC, and a nice new library downtown, or a lab isn't going to change that. I mean did you think back then : "hmmmm, I like RIT, I got in, but if ECC just had that new chem lab I'd really like to go there? Did you? Does anybody? No.

Reality - catch it.

BRIAN HORVATH, SAN FRANCISCO, CA on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 05:06 PM

well, all I'll say is - The city / county should hire it's own Rocco Terminis and reap the fruits of their own labor. Instead of having a dev agency that functions well within gov't, for these properties and developments, we watch private sector people become one with them and receive the tax creds/breaks/gifts, etc. - with probably no structured deal to the effect the city/ county shares in profit once these buildings do flourish (and lets' hope they do). It's like being a mentally handicapped loan shark. Maybe the sweet deal is the govt gets a 'promise' of tax revenue. Well what if these places go belly up - do the people get the money back they gave out? If you're even trying to answer this last one it's all for nothing. The LLC's they hide under make sure the bagholder is you and me.

BRIAN HORVATH, SAN FRANCISCO, CA on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 05:01 PM

"My point still holds, he's making a potential buyer happy to get it "at cost"? No, to me he's catching a break to sell the black sheep part of the property he probably had to buy to get the deal originally, but now has no substantive plans for. "

I guess I still don't see why we should care even if this is true. If he *allegedly* happens to have a property that he sees no immediate market for and ECC fits, why shouldn't he propose it?

"And, all only made possible with 22.5 million of our pious dollars, ours being duty to Him and the Disciples. "

I agree with you that all this subsidizing is ridiculous but at least it would be spent on a community college which has to get public funding one way or another.

"And - the main point: How about an anonymous poll of hiring managers at Roswell, WHI, Smartpill, etc. with the simple question of whether ECC students are veiwed on equal footing to students coming from UB, Canisius, Niagara, Bona, Cornell, RIT, SUNY Fredonia, Buff State.....get your heads out of the sand, the corridor has very little to do with the location of ECC. In fact I bet almost nothing."

Really? Are ECC students not worth ECC developing partnerships within the industries they're educating for? I don't know ECC's current programs/partnerships with these groups but having them at their doorstep can only help. Having them 1/2 hr away or more can only hinder. Your argument is that ECC doesn't do as good a job educating as other colleges but improving this education by forming new -conveniently located- programs is how it'll improve... this forms a quagmire in my mind on your reasoning. You want ECC to do a better job (or better prepare for a UB level education) and don't think ECC should follow UB's decision to move its facilities there and create synergy?

TOM NEEDELL, BUFFALO, on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 03:21 PM

No, I don't see where it writes about his specific transformation of the AMA building; I read allusions to the webb and elicott. and "next up the Lafayette"...but specific mention of the AMA being redone (I recall it was, but dont see it in this post).

But the statement "place it in the vacant AM&As, on the shoulder of ECCs City Campus", is what I also read. Perhaps it's just a wing. I can see what you mean.

My point still holds, he's making a potential buyer happy to get it "at cost"? No, to me he's catching a break to sell the black sheep part of the property he probably had to buy to get the deal originally, but now has no substantive plans for.

And, all only made possible with 22.5 million of our pious dollars, ours being duty to Him and the Disciples.

And - the main point: How about an anonymous poll of hiring managers at Roswell, WHI, Smartpill, etc. with the simple question of whether ECC students are veiwed on equal footing to students coming from UB, Canisius, Niagara, Bona, Cornell, RIT, SUNY Fredonia, Buff State.....get your heads out of the sand, the corridor has very little to do with the location of ECC. In fact I bet almost nothing. Reality - catch it.

BRIAN HORVATH, SAN FRANCISCO, CA on Fri Jun 10, 2011 at 02:11 PM

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