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Making sense of a few cents' raise
Silver's proposal is a big deal for workers, employers
Updated: January 31, 2012, 1:12 PM
The proposal in Albany to raise the minimum wage to $8.50 is music to the ears of Teresa Biersbach.
"If they increased it, that would be great for a lot of people," said the Depew mother of four, who currently makes $7.25 an hour working at the Salvation Army store on Transit Road.
Biersbach, 45, had been a stay-at-home mother for 21 years but returned to the work force a year-and-a-half ago to "help make ends meet." Any hike in the minimum wage would help with a child's braces, "the mortgage, car payment and just catching up with bills and everything else," she said.
But the proposal Monday by Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, D-Manhattan, to raise the minimum wage in January 2013 and automatically peg annual increases to inflation beginning in 2014 struck a sour note with Larry Santora, the owner of the Picasso's Pizza chain.
Santora, who employs 180 workers at his five local restaurants, said a higher minimum wage would mean higher prices for consumers.
"Nobody will be making more money," he said. "It's a loss because everything will go up. Everything will cost more. Only the government benefits through taxes."
Silver, however, said the $8.50 minimum wage is both "reasonable" and "not shocking" to businesses. "Economic argument aside, this is ultimately a matter of human dignity. No one who works hard and follows the rules should be poor and bereft of hope," he said.
The Legislature's top Democrat said a parent with two children working 35 hours per week and making minimum wage earns about $13,200 -- $4,000 below the federal poverty rate.
Supporters also said the higher rate must be linked with annual inflation rate indexing to keep the minimum wage level predictable to both workers and employers. "Indexation will allow the lowest-wage workers in this state to never again have to suffer through the ravages of inflation," said Mario Cilento, president of the state AFL-CIO.
Business groups denounced the Silver plan, saying it would cost the state jobs by driving up payroll costs at a time when the economy is struggling.
"We think it would be a sure-fire way to stifle job creation as New York struggles to emerge from the recession," said James Calvin, president of the New York Association of Convenience Stores.
"When you drive up the cost of an entry-level position, it makes it harder to justify that position," Calvin said. In addition, a higher minimum wage would have a ripple effect that would push up the hourly pay of other workers at the bottom end of the pay scale, further adding to payroll costs, he said.
"That would be devastating," said Michael F. Newman, the executive vice president of Noco Energy, which oversees the Noco Express Shops chain. He said a higher minimum wage would mean fewer part-time positions and less flexibility for both employers and the workers who fill those jobs.
"It misses the whole point about what that introductory wage is meant for," said Newman, who estimated that about 40 percent of the workers at Noco Express Shops earn minimum wage. "These are part-time people who are looking for extra work."
A small-business advocacy group, the National Federation of Independent Business, had a similar reaction. "The proposal is based on good intentions, but it's going to have a very damaging effect on the people whom its advocates want to help," said Mike Durant, the group's state director.
"The way to improve our state's economy and the lives of all New Yorkers is to create more private-sector jobs," said Heather Briccetti, president and chief executive officer of the Business Council of New York State.
"Raising the minimum wage would only hurt New York's small businesses, farms and not-for-profits that are struggling to make their current payrolls, and reduce job opportunities in this difficult economy," she said.
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and Senate Republicans did not rule the Silver plan in or out.
"The governor has been supportive of previous proposals to raise the minimum wage, and we will be reviewing the proposal through the legislative session," said Cuomo spokesman Matthew Wing.
"Senate Republicans will continue to promote policies that encourage job growth and make New York a more business-friendly state, just as we did last year partnering with Gov. Cuomo," said Scott Reif, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos.
New York's minimum wage was last increased in July 2009, when it rose by 10 cents to the current $7.25 per hour.
Supporters of a higher minimum wage note that rising prices have eroded the purchasing power of the minimum wage. If the minimum wage had kept up with inflation since that 2009 increase, it would be $7.60 today.
In fact, the purchasing power of the minimum wage has varied widely since the 1970s. At its peak in 1970, the minimum wage had the purchasing power of $10.70 in today's dollars, or 48 percent more than the current minimum wage. But the purchasing power of the minimum wage also had dropped as low as the equivalent of just over $6 as recently as five years ago.
Silver's proposal would boost New York's minimum wage even though the federally mandated minimum would remain at $7.25. Eighteen other states currently have minimum wages that are higher than $7.25, ranging from $7.40 an hour in Michigan and Rhode Island to $9.04 in Washington.
President Obama has been unable to push through an increase in the national minimum wage to $9.50 per hour that would index it to inflation.
About one of every 14 New York workers currently earns less than $8 an hour, according to an analysis by the Fiscal Policy Institute, an Albany-based think tank that is calling for a higher minimum wage.
The minimum wage affects far more than teenagers working part-time jobs. More than four of every five workers earning less than $8 an hour are at least 20 years old. Half of the workers earning below $8 an hour work a minimum of 35 hours a week, the Fiscal Policy Institute analysis found. Nearly half of all minimum wage jobs in New York are retail and food services positions.
"I think they should raise it," said Zac Metzger, 22, a Clarence resident and college student who makes minimum wage working part time at the Picasso's on Transit Road.
"It'll be more money in my pocket," said Metzger, who lives at home but pays for his car and phone. He said his paycheck covers his monthly expenses, but little else. "At the end of the month, there's nothing left for me to go to the bar or hang out."
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I don't think we're as far apart on this as it might seem. Like you, I would like to see an economy of highly skilled, highly paid workers humming along at very high productivity. My argument is that the government can't mandate that state of affairs. Whenever the market is altered by government fiat, the consequences are bad for someone.
If the minimum wage actually worked as you seem to believe, we would be able to set it at $50 per hour and legislate ourselves into prosperity. The only way to prosperity is the slow (sometimes painful) process of adding value through human activity and technology. I'm an optimist, and believe in an expanding pie, but I'm discouraged when politicians like Sheldon Silver score cheap political points by promising a government solution to a market problem. How many poor people will hear he wants to raise the minimum wage, laud him for it, and never realize that he's sentenced them to a lifetime on government assistance?
Here is what you forgot to factor in. If the farmer can make $100,000.00 off his harvest, and he has to pay $30,000.00 for labor, if he can find workers to work cheaper then he can make another $20,000.00 in profit.
He may buy some new land or he may just buy a new truck, But his goal is to keep his costs as low as possible to make the most profit. If he can find workers that will work for less, then it makes sense to hire them. So the standard wage is not set by him. It is set by the workers.
There are many people today that are working minimum wage jobs because that is all they can find, no matter what their qualifications are. I have a good friend who is a manager for a large big box retail chain, and the last 11 people she hired as part time workers on the sales floor had at least associates degrees.
When you can't collect any more unemployment, and you've hit the 401k there comes a time that you need to work to eat and live indoors. Employers KNOW this. Another friend of mine has had his payroll cut and he had to tell his assistant manager that she had to take a $3.00 an hour pay-cut and go off salary and go to 38 hours a week to keep her job. Making her a part time employee with no sick days, no personal days, no vacation time. She asked him "What if I say no?" He told her that the district supervisor would terminate her and he would have a new replacement in within a day.
See, there is always someone more desperate than you. That's why we are in the state we are in now. Come on McDonalds had a national hiring day where they planned to hire 50,000 workers. If you look at job creation you can see that the jobs being created are mainly low wage, part time work.
JEREMY LEWIS, BUFFALO, NY on Wed Feb 1, 2012 at 05:40 PM
While I respect your opinion, you can't argue with basic macroeconomics. If your argument were that elimination of the minimum wage would increase the number of people in the labor pool, and exert downward pressure on wages, I agree.
It's easy to identify the beneficiaries of a minumum wage: People who are now employed, and have skills that make them economically viable employees at or above the minimum wage. It's harder to see the minmum wage's victims, since they don't have the skills, and can't find a job. Minimum wage transfers wealth from the poor to the rich.
To use your grape picker analogy, the farmer must sell the grapes at market. He needs a certain amount of labor to harvest the crop, but if the cost of that labor exceeds the price he can get in the market, he is better off leaving the grapes to rot on the vine. Suppose there is a scarcity of pickers for the amount grapes on the vines. It is in the farmer's interest to raise wages to attract enough labor to do the job. In boom enconomic times, the farmer can usually raise prices enough to make a profit on the harvest.
Steinbeck's novel takes place during a depression. The farmer can't raise prices, and will probably need to lower them once he gets to market. There is an oversupply of labor. If the labor supply is artificially restricted (by unionization) or the government sets a minimum wage, a lucky few will benefit on the backs of those who don't get hired.
Steinbeck did a masterful job of putting a human face on the depression era tragedy, but it's important to understand the reason behind the drop in wages.
My original point is that with over 9% unemployment, raising the minimum wage is exactly the WRONG thing to do.
JOE KOESSLER, BUFFALO, NY on Wed Feb 1, 2012 at 04:05 PM
There's a nice, concise table on the NYS Dept of Labor's website w/ the history of minimum wages in NY.
In my lifetime, it has increasesd 19 times; in my working years it has been 14 times--
including 4 in the 1960's (when "life was good") and 3 in the 1980's (when Ronnie & Bill had the economy hummin'). Everytime a raise to the minimum wage is proposed, I hear the same arguements (both sides) ad naseum.
DENIS EVEREST, BUFFALO, NY on Wed Feb 1, 2012 at 01:37 PM
Except for that nasty fact that the REPUBLICANS IN NEW YORK have been in charge of the SENATE for how long? I believe it was 68 out of 73 years. Who makes the laws in NY Warren? The Legislature, or the Senate?
Tell me Warren if NY is so full of DEMOCRATS how did the REPUBLICANS manage to pull this off??
And if WNY is so full of Democrats, then how is it that 6 out of 7 NY Senators are Republicans?
And how is this GIVING anyone anything? Let's say you worked for me at minimum wage, and it went up so now you were going to make an extra $40.00 a week. What would be the result if I were to cut your hours by 6 hours a week? At will employment IS allowed in NY, and that means that you have NO guarantee of hours per week. When it comes to dealing with extra costs payroll is the easiest place to make cuts from. Fixed and operating expenses are out of the question... for obvious reasons. So what that leaves is cutting payroll.
So if I cut your hours by 1.5 hours per day, would you make MORE money at the end of the week with your raise? Or LESS money.
I'll do the math for you.
$8.50 x 40 hours = $340.00
$8.50 x 32.5 hours = $276.25
$7.25 x 40 hours = $290.00
In the end when they raise minimum wage most workers never see it. I know more than a few people in management that deal with minimum wage employees, and they cut hours every time. That's why so many minimum wage workers are part time workers. To work full time at minimum wage is very rare.
JEREMY LEWIS, BUFFALO, NY on Wed Feb 1, 2012 at 07:41 AM
This is a win-win for every politician in the state.....
It doesn't cost them anything to do.
It enables them to raise taxes without telling you they're raising taxes, giving them all more money TO GIVE TO YOU!
Liberals know darn well that NOBODY in Albany will vote against it because that would be political suicide!
"Welcome to New York, keeping people Dumb, Dependent and Democrat for over 40 Years"!
WARREN WILKES, AKRON, NY on Wed Feb 1, 2012 at 03:48 AM
Actually McDonalds and Burger King and Wendy's created those menus in 2006-2008 in response to declining sales of regular food items because their core customer base had less income to spend.
Prices have been going up constantly. You may not have noticed this but a can of coffee has skyrocketed in price and the actual quantity is down. The one pound can now is between 11-13oz, and the three pound can is now 32-34 ounces.
Mr. Godspeed hit the nail on the head, the poorer these workers are the more social programs they qualify for. A single worker working 20 hours a week at minimum wage can get food stamps in Erie County. Add a kid to that and they get even more. A married E-5 in the Armed Forces with a family can get food stamps also.
We need to create better jobs here that pay more so people spend more and in the long run create more people that are PUTTING into the system than there are TAKING out of the system. That's how you pay down the debt and the deficit.
JEREMY LEWIS, BUFFALO, NY on Tue Jan 31, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Think this is new? Hardly. Ever read "The Grapes of Wrath" by John Stienbeck? There is a chapter in which Tom Joad comes across a friend of his who is leading an attempt to get pickers to strike on a ranch, because with each new worker the price goes down. Tom sees the logic, but he knows that his family ate that night on the wages they earned. His friend implores him to get everyone out and the growers will have to pay a higher wage to get the fruit off the trees before it rots. In the end the grower lowers the price again. When a newly arrived family of Okies is told the rate the man says "A man can't make his dinner off that." The grower tells him, "Tough, if you don't want the job someone else will take it."
Last summer a politician in Maine had a great idea. Lower the minimum wage for anyone under 21 by 2 dollars an hour for the first 6 months they are employed. At the same time raise the amount of hours a minor could work to 40 hours per week.
When he was asked "What would stop an employer from simply firing any worker who is up for a raise and replace him with a worker that is still subject to the cheaper wage?" He had no answer.
JEREMY LEWIS, BUFFALO, NY on Tue Jan 31, 2012 at 09:45 PM
So, when people start out at $17/hr, do they not receive at least a 10 cent/hr raise every six months? How about managerial/executive employees? Do they not receive at least 10 cents per hour incremental raises?
DEMAND PAY PARITY NOW! RESPECT LABOR, SHARE PROFITS! WE ARE THE 99% AND WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED!
LYDIA BEZOUHOJNACKI, BUFFALO, NY on Tue Jan 31, 2012 at 09:15 PM
I just noticed that I've been calling you Warren throughout our discussion. No offense intended, andI might need new glasses.
JOE KOESSLER, BUFFALO, NY on Tue Jan 31, 2012 at 09:07 PM
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JOE KOESSLER, BUFFALO, NY on Wed Feb 1, 2012 at 06:45 PM